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Privacy: The Consumer Bill of Rights

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Re: What Do Not Track means
kdawson   3/15/2012 7:42:37 AM
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@munira, that's an interesting tack. How would you demonstrate that (say) Amazon.com's cookies cost you time, and therefore money? If you spent time figuring out how to block them and then executing that routine, they could argue that it is time you voluntarily spent; they did not force you.

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Re: What Do Not Track means
munira   3/15/2012 4:38:41 AM
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We are living in an age where money is not money anymore, Time is money.... may be laws needs to be ammended to adress todays situation. As professionals we are very particular about our "time" calculations. If any add or any recorded cookie delays me for something...... well in 30days how much money is wasted? May be more than $500.

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Re: What Do Not Track means
kdawson   3/10/2012 2:28:39 PM
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there are RIGHTS

Many people have tried to sue advertisers for privacy violations based on cookies. They have all lost in court. We're talking maybe a dozen or more cases across multiple jurisdictions. The problem is, courts are looking for one kind of harm and one only — did it cost you money? Sometimes there is even a numerical test — did it cost you more than $5,000? Nobody can really answer this in the affirmative.

Feeling creeped out, it seems, is not a basis for a lawsuit.

In other cases the complaintent is held not to have standing to bring suit.

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Re: What Do Not Track means
kdawson   3/10/2012 2:24:36 PM
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Yes, we most assuredly are tracked even without our consent. In most cases, we are tracked even if we take aggressive steps to stop it.

I actively counter tracking that is enabled via cookies, Flash objects, HTML5 local storage, and cache. If any ad companies are employing "super-cookies," they got me. (These have been speculated upon by researchers, but not seen in he wild to my knowledge.) Likewise, browser fingerprinting is a tracking technique with no effective countermeasures that I have heard of — and it is in active use by at least one ad industry player, Blue Kai — probably others as well.

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Re: What Do Not Track means
munira   3/9/2012 9:52:31 PM
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so it means you are tracked even if you are not willing.... isnt it trespassing? I am there are RIGHTS. May be we need developers to develop a program that assist users to block tracking as per their choices. If some one comes up with an application, software or a program it will definitely be a hot cake

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Re: What Do Not Track means
kdawson   3/3/2012 4:17:09 PM
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As I mentioned in an earlier comment, both the W3C and the White House have put out press releases saying that the DAA will use the W3C's definition of DNT. This definition will correspond much more closely to what most people mean when they say "do not track me."

The advertising industry is not acting as if it has gotten the message.

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Re: What Do Not Track means
munira   3/3/2012 3:34:38 PM
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Yes, Keith. I'd like to see a movement where do not track would really mean do not track. I believe a lot of people would still opt for a lot of personalized marketing and stuff. But having a choice would be really refreshing.

Any idea if some efforts on similar lines are underway in that respect or hope to be taken in the near future?

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Re: What Do Not Track means
kdawson   3/3/2012 1:34:47 PM
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The way the advertising industry is talking about DNT now, it will have exactly the effect you describe for Google, but across the board. That is, you will no longer see targeted ads, but generic ads instead. And the hundreds of companies in that ecosystem will still track you just as they do now.

If more privacy-sensitive arguments prevail, the industry may be compelled actually to stop tracking us if we say that's what we want. Wouldn't that be refreshing?

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Re: What Do Not Track means
munira   3/3/2012 1:06:24 PM
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Keith I'm afraid you're right. I find it annoying when, e.g. Google provides me the option to opt out of ads but that in effect means no targeted ads though ads will still appear. I would be really interested to see how DNT is applied in practicality

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Re: More spying...
kdawson   2/29/2012 9:16:42 PM
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I hope that most people who join Facebook now, and in the last few years, have heard about the privacy issues and know to study the settings carefully.

Even close scrutiny is not always enough. A study out of Columbia (PDF) by Madejski, Johnson, and Bellovin went through an elaborate process to determine what the actual privacy preferences of 65 students were. They then compared the students' Facebook privacy settings with what they said they had intended to do. 100% of them failed to express their actual desires by means of Facebook's controls. The larger number were exposing things they had intended to keep private; the minority were keeping private things they had wanted to share.

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